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The USDA is busy sending out its Agricultural Survey attempting to elicit from unwary property owners, information regarding any agricultural production or livestock or poultry (this can be virtually ANY crop, animal or bird) that you may own and goes on to ask how much monetary value is placed on produce or the sale of animal/poultry products. The [survey] also mentions that any one who produces and sells more than $1,000 per year is asked to voluntarily supply this information to the government. $1,000 a year is such a paltry amount and is significant in the fact that this amount is so low as to encompass virtually anything you might wish to grow and produce even for your own use. It would be virtually impossible for the federal government to confiscate food sources in the event they decide they must, unless they know first hand where that source is located and how much of it is there.
This is a voluntary survey and is not a [census]. Survey’s are voluntary, the census taken every ten years to do a head count of our population is not.
In a cleverly worded promotion on the USDA website:
“The 2012 census will be conducted late in 2012 and into 2013 to reflect 2012 farming activities. It is the voice of agriculture:”
Any person with estimated or expected annual sales of agricultural products of at least $1,000 is considered a producer and should be counted. (emphasis mine)
Please note the word [should]. “Should” is not the same as “has to be”, “must be”, “is required to”. Also note that there is no specified code citing or regulation designation; that’s because there isn’t one. Agriculture is non-positive code & title #7, and cannot be codified into public law as it is not in the enumerated powers within the constitution given to the federal government. Therefore, anything regarding agriculture coming from the federal government via one of its corporate federal agencies can only be voluntary. That which is voluntary on the federal level cannot be made mandatory in the states.
Even if USDA has or will write such a code or regulation, there is no underlying authority for enforcement. Congress cannot delegate to one of its autonomous corporations power it does not possess itself.
It is important to understand the legalese applied to government documents, legislation, rules and regulations. Word play, obvious deceptive language and ambiguity are routinely used to deceive the public into believing a rule or regulation is mandatory when in fact it is only voluntary; its just something they want to do or want you to do, for which they have no actual authority to implement. But as long as you comply, voluntarily, the game is on.
The word [census] has been inserted in place of the word [survey]. Regardless, this is a survey and is not a census as is described in the Constitution or by law. This survey does not qualify as a census; it is simply an attempt to get you to voluntarily supply personal information about your private property and activities to the USDA and intentionally written to include the word census in order to make it appear that the information they are attempting to collect is somehow necessary and constitutionally allowed. It is a deception and one many people are thinking must be adhered to. After all…..it does say census and we all have to fill out the census. This USDA survey does not qualify as a census as defined by law.
**Note: This is akin to the replacing of [treaty] with the word [agreement]. Many people believe that trade agreements are the same thing as constitutional treaty’s. The first is a corporate government to government contract agreement, and the second is a Constitutionally recognized treaty ratified by the states which then becomes supreme law of the land. Agreements are not enforceable anywhere except in the District of Criminals, insular possessions and territories of the federal government.
Make sure I’m counted! NOT!
This includes retirement/lifestyle farms and ranches that grow a small amount of plants or crops or keep only a few animals, up to the largest of operations and everything in between. Landowners that only have income from government programs are also counted as farms.
Now why would the USDA be after retirement/lifestyle farms and ranches? Of what possible use could this information be the USDA? You aren’t supplying anyone, and you aren’t engaged in commerce. And, because you aren’t, you are not subject to USDA rules and regulations.
What are they really after?
How can you possibly control the most lucrative and valuable economic sector if you cannot control who has access?
The information USDA is attempting to collect is and will be used to establish a database of just exactly who is growing what crops or animals, and how much of it. This information will be especially useful if and when a national emergency is declared. The USDA will supply the roadmap to every source of food in the US right down to the small home gardeners and hobby farmers with a few head of goats.
This information will also be used to track and tax any food source even those from small personal use operations. It will also be used to establish new regulations and rules in order to make the growing of small crops and the keeping of small numbers of animals prohibitive for anyone other than large industrialized producers.
With the attempts to yet again establish the National Animal Identification System (NAIS), now renamed, Animal Disease Traceability (ADT) and to force the establishment of national herds, rather than privately owned herds or livestock wherein actual livestock owners are relegated to “stakeholders” implying that they have an interest in, but are not the owners of said livestock, it would not be prudent to supply USDA with any information whatsoever.
In addition to attempting to deceptively take ownership of private property in the form of livestock, is also the effort to make illegal any crops of any kind other than those grown and supplied by Big-Ag and the bio-pirates. The USDA is so heavily in bed with industrialized ag operators, they cannot be trusted to oversee or to control independent and family producers.
As the USDA exists today, it is simply the hammer used to beat down any competitors to the multi-national corporate producers. Market monopoly can only be obtained if you eradicate all the competition. This is the main purpose of USDA today; to make farming and ranching of any size untenable for anyone other than the corporate contracting partners with USDA.
About that survey
Bear in mind that this is just a survey. It is not federally mandated and cannot be mandated and carries no force. It is a request that you voluntarily supply information that will be used against you in the future.
Put it in the trash with your other junk mail.
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Robin L McPhee
Jul 24, 2023 @ 13:31:39
Well I called the USDA and I was told that by filling this out it gives them a idea of what is being grown and where. Also, Lets them know how much storage they have, ???? WTH?
Now just what are they going to need storage for and why?
Sounds kinda fishy to me!
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steve
Mar 17, 2018 @ 09:43:30
mine does say, ‘required by law’, also says a representative may contact you.
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Michael L Murphy
Mar 05, 2018 @ 19:35:16
I throw it in the trash every 5 years. Last time they called and even came by to get it filled out. I told them to pound sand. They finally left me alone. I just got the last one a few days ago, in the trash it went. I got harassed over the American Family Survey done by the census dept. Quite invasive and i refused that one too. I was told it was mandatory and could be fined up to $200 if I refused. I told them to send me a bill because I was not giving them that info.
Understand that if you fill it out with bogus info they now actually have cause to come after you for lying, or using your lies as proof of something. I’d suggest you ignore it.
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Matt
Mar 05, 2018 @ 19:24:24
I love surveys. They are like dating sites. Fill in the questionnaire with any old thing and see who wants to spend time with you. Yeaha, it’s time to fill in some contradictory information. Let’s the statatitions shit blood after sorting out this survey.
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VW
Jun 06, 2013 @ 13:34:21
I have thrown away all I received. Then I got a phone call from USDA. I told them “I wasn’t answering any of their questions” none of their business. hung up. A week later, another phone call from USDA. Told I had to answer. I stated, I get no monies from them to run my place, pay taxes, not plant corn, not grow anything, etc.etc., so I am not answering your questions. Then I got a registered letter to sign for. I saw it was the same packet they send out as regular mail. I refused to sign for it. The post master stated she had never seen that sent registered before from them. So now, I am waiting for a visit from the IRS, FBI, ATFE, NAS, men in black, black chopper hovering over head. I only have + – 40 acres. Spent 22 yrs in the military for this shit to happen. We are the government, take these people out of office. VOTE, VOTE.
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ppjg
May 29, 2013 @ 17:43:01
The Constitution says that the federal government can conduct a census of the people……it does not say they can take a survey and call it a census to make it sound legit.
Title 7 AG is non-positive…..meaning they cannot make it public law. They cannot use any of the regulations, codes or other instruments they have constructed to prosecute or persecute you because they have no underlying constitutional authority to do so.
Personally, I would not accept the certified. To do so would imply that you agreed to the underlying hidden contract it contains…..that being that you give them the right to inventory your property and to dispose of it if they deem it necessary.
The only reasons any one takes an inventory is to determine monetary value and to determine exactly what it is they intend to take.
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Aaron Smith
May 29, 2013 @ 16:33:41
I ignored the so called cencus twice now and now they have sent me a certified letter! Wondering whether or not to pick it up!
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Michael Murphy
Apr 14, 2013 @ 00:09:51
I just got my 3rd, I’ve thrown each one away
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Noneya Business
Apr 13, 2013 @ 21:55:28
I just received one of these. After reading it over, I decided that this is being collected for nefarious reasons. I don’t care if it is “legal” in the fed’s eyes, they can codify that it’s legal to kill babies, doesn’t make it Constitutional. I will not release information to them that will help them with sequestering food to feed the welfare masses, their minions. So I sent it back with UNCONSTITUTIONAL full page every page in magic marker. I suggest if you value your privacy you do the same.
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Michael Murphy
Mar 07, 2013 @ 16:37:15
BTW, the Patriot Act and NDAA which both violate the constitution are “authorized” by the federal government.
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Michael Murphy
Mar 07, 2013 @ 16:35:51
I have a friend who is a retired district judge and still a practicing attorney and farmer. He told me he has never responded to one of these nor will he. From my observation with this and everything our government does, it all hinges on data collection…to be used for “sustainable development”, the buzz word of the Marxist desire to redistribute wealth and control over us who are destroying the world (in their opinion). We are idiots if we volunteer our data to them which they ultimately could use to deny us use of our own land.
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setesting
Mar 07, 2013 @ 14:36:00
Please visit this web site before deciding to ignore the census. Though I agree with the stance against BIG govornment, please realize that census taking is defined and authorized by the Feds http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/7/2204g
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Georoco
Feb 07, 2013 @ 03:52:00
Living in an irrigated zone of drought stricken New Mexico, there is only one single explanation for this: for profit corporations have began the process of convincing Congress they own Our water for their profit. Look at page 2 or 3 or whatever…irrigation is foremost. Everything else is the remaining 20 some odd pages. Not too difficult to figure out what’s up.
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Patriot67
Jan 20, 2013 @ 12:50:48
Ignore it. If you are a “real” homesteader, you know why to ignore it. It is so easy to spot lib comments. Those that like/want big government always use scare tactics and vague statements. Government Surveys make great kindling.
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US code #7 Agriculture: Still not within the powers granted to the federal government « The PPJ Gazette
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Michael Murphy
Jan 05, 2013 @ 00:02:51
$100 fine, worth it to tell them to shove it LOL. I suspect if you are not participating in their farmer welfare programs…I do have a farm and DO NOT participate…they might have some sway there…otherwise…tough.
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DVK
Jan 03, 2013 @ 21:55:48
If this isn’t mandatory, why does it say, “Your response is required by law” on the envelope. And it says that on the letter. But then again, it also says it is fast, easy and secure. How can 24 pages of survey be fast or easy, and I doubt anything sent to D.C. is secure. They have a deadline of Feb 4… what farmer has their tax stuff ready on Feb 4? (You’d pretty much have to have all your taxes done to know the answers to the 24 pages of intrusive questions).
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Agriculture survey | Tomicren
Mar 05, 2012 @ 16:26:36
coyote
Feb 03, 2012 @ 05:45:37
That should be “WIKISPOOKS.COM 9/11.”
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meliposa59
Jan 18, 2012 @ 19:32:16
Growers beware, the Feds want to know what you are up to and want you to voluntarily give up this info to them.
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Al Parker
Jan 18, 2012 @ 19:17:40
The operatvie language in the “law” is:
(2) Refusal or neglect to answer questions
A person over 18 years of age who refuses or willfully neglects to answer a question, which is authorized by the Secretary to be submitted to the person in connection with a census under this section, shall be fined not more than $100.
For $100 I’ll take my chances…
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Frank Butler
Jan 18, 2012 @ 19:15:25
The operative language in the “law” is:
(2) Refusal or neglect to answer questions
A person over 18 years of age who refuses or willfully neglects to answer a question, which is authorized by the Secretary to be submitted to the person in connection with a census under this section, shall be fined not more than $100.
For $100 I’ll take my chances…
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ppjg
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:30:46
Because you will pay the fine if they tell you to. You won’t hesitate to write out the check cause they said you had to. You will never question it or stand on your rights. They will fine you because you will vountarily pay the fine just so they go away. Calen
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Annette
Jan 12, 2012 @ 21:32:15
Why would I be fined $100 if I don’t answer the survey if it is voluntary?
(Sorry, I forgot to mark the notify me option to get follow-up comments on my previous post with this question)
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Jan 12, 2012 @ 21:29:39
Annette
Jan 12, 2012 @ 21:28:45
If it is voluntary, why is there a $100 fine for not participating?
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ppjg
Jan 12, 2012 @ 02:10:36
A lawyer won’t be of any help to you Fila. As part of the bar association and controlled by it and not able to practice “law” without their approval….a lawyer isn’t about to tell you that you federal goverment is hostile to you and that the USDA creation cannot be codified into public law. I guarantee, whomever you go to will try hard to convince you that you haev no choice..
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Fila Kathy
Jan 12, 2012 @ 01:19:33
I got mine in the mail today. I will be speaking to a lawyer about this. I am not about to willingly fill this out and if it costs me a 100 dollar fine then so be it. I hope to have this scanned tomorrow for anyone wanting to see what it looks like.
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ppjg
Jan 11, 2012 @ 20:21:52
Yes thats it…..msut just be another one of those conspiracy theories. Why didn’t i think of that.
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ppjg
Jan 11, 2012 @ 20:20:03
C—-
This is another of those later applied rules, regulations that hold no weight. The USDA has NO lawful authority. No later passed rule, opinion, law, regualtion can validate that which is inherrantly invalid on its face.
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C
Jan 11, 2012 @ 20:09:24
According the the Legal Institution Institute, we have to turn this information over to Big Brother:
§ 2204G. AUTHORITY OF SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE TO CONDUCT CENSUS OF AGRICULTURE
How Current is This?
(a) Census of agriculture required
(1) In general
In 1998 and every fifth year thereafter, the Secretary of Agriculture shall take a census of agriculture.
(2) Inclusion of specialty crops
Effective beginning with the census of agriculture required to be conducted in 2008, the Secretary shall conduct as part of each census of agriculture a census of specialty crops (as that term is defined in section 3 of the Specialty Crops Competitiveness Act of 2004 (7 U.S.C. 1621 note ; Public Law 108–465)).
(b) Methods
In connection with the census, the Secretary may conduct any survey or other information collection, and employ any sampling or other statistical method, that the Secretary determines is appropriate.
(c) Year of information
The information collected in each census taken under this section shall relate to the year immediately preceding the year in which the census is taken.
(d) Enforcement
(1) Fraud
A person over 18 years of age who willfully gives an answer that is false to a question, which is authorized by the Secretary to be submitted to the person in connection with a census under this section, shall be fined not more than $500.
(2) Refusal or neglect to answer questions
A person over 18 years of age who refuses or willfully neglects to answer a question, which is authorized by the Secretary to be submitted to the person in connection with a census under this section, shall be fined not more than $100.
(3) Social Security number
The failure or refusal of a person to disclose the person’s Social Security number in response to a request made in connection with any census or other activity under this section shall not be a violation under this subsection.
(4) Religious information
Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to the religious beliefs of the person or to membership of the person in a religious body.
(e) Geographic coverage
A census under this section shall include—
(1) each of the several States of the United States;
(2) as determined appropriate by the Secretary, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, the United States Virgin Islands, and Guam; and
(3) with the concurrence of the Secretary and the Secretary of State, any other possession or area over which the United States exercises jurisdiction, control, or sovereignty.
(f) Cooperation with Secretary of Commerce
(1) Information provided to Secretary of Agriculture
On a written request by the Secretary of Agriculture, the Secretary of Commerce may provide to the Secretary of Agriculture any information collected under title 13 that the Secretary of Agriculture considers necessary for the taking of a census or survey under this section.
(2) Information provided to Secretary of Commerce
On a written request by the Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of Agriculture may provide to the Secretary of Commerce any information collected in a census taken under this section that the Secretary of Commerce considers necessary for the taking of a census or survey under title 13.
(3) Confidentiality
Information obtained under this subsection may not be used for any purpose other than the statistical purposes for which the information is supplied. For purposes of sections 9 and 214 of title 13, any information provided under paragraph (2) shall be considered information furnished under the provisions of title 13.
(g) Regulations
A regulation necessary to carry out this section may be promulgated by—
(1) the Secretary of Agriculture, to the extent that a matter under the jurisdiction of the Secretary is involved; and
(2) the Secretary of Commerce, to the extent that a matter under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of Commerce is involved.
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Letter Re: 2012 National Agricultural Classification Survey — Intelwars.com
Jan 11, 2012 @ 19:29:05
The 2012 Agriculture Census and You « 1,000 Words A Day
Jan 11, 2012 @ 17:55:58
Sly
Jan 11, 2012 @ 11:39:30
cut and paste the article in toto to an email and send it out to EVERYONE you know … then go out and vote for Ron Paul …
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Hell NO
Jan 11, 2012 @ 05:46:17
We used to live in a country, at least my parents and grand-parents did, when it might have been safe in situations like this, if an individual wasn’t sure about the law, etc., to err on the side of caution and just voluntarily fill out the survey.
Those days are LONG GONE! Like Louie said above, Americans better start learning to say, not just No, but HELL NO! AND TO HELL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES!
If you’re going to be forced into slavery, why help them with it. In fact, the ONLY thing that ever prevented, or freed any people from slavery were the words “HELL NO!” ringing out in unison from The People.
“HELL NO!”…Just Say It
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slave2liberty
Jan 11, 2012 @ 00:28:49
Thanks for the information. Interesting, that i received a similar survey, but it is clearly marked “Required by Law”. Which law is this? How did i end up in the USDA database?
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mindyourownbizUSDA
Jan 09, 2012 @ 15:10:35
Privatize agricultural statistics! Just like the stock market, statistics on agricultural production in this country is evaluated by the private sector. I would submit that they do a far better job than the USDA. This business of making this appear to be a legal document is a scam. Practice saying HELL NO.
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five words
Jan 09, 2012 @ 04:31:56
I tried to save “just the post” as a PDF to share with others but the print option always wants to save the whole page. Guess I’ll use notepad.
Happy Trails, . . .
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Tom
Jan 07, 2012 @ 12:36:41
This is people doing it to other people. Educating others in constitutional law is so important right now. Only a few are willing to put their heads out there for whatever cause they are fighting for.
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Frick
Jan 05, 2012 @ 22:13:48
Just an attempt by the powers that be to control or confiscate food when the time comes to cull the masses as farmers are the last hope for the roving hungry that have no food.
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Louie Cocroft
Jan 05, 2012 @ 17:34:21
Americans need to practice saying NO
Perhaps the need to conform and comply has come from putting young Children into the educational system at such a young age, before they have developed their own sense of autonomy. Peer pressure starts very early, and has enormous impact. Where are you going to get independent, critical thinkers? There are, no doubt, agruments for starting them early, but I often wonder.
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windy
Jan 05, 2012 @ 14:51:32
Do everything you can to get Ron Paul elected —- or we are SCREWED!
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John5319
Jan 05, 2012 @ 06:45:53
This is why the Department of Agriculture should be downsized like all other businesses have been forced to do in these Obama “centrally planned” economic times. Their reasons for existence are no more other than intrusive regulations. Is it any wonder why the smaller farmers are being squeezed and forced to sell-out to large corporations which vie for lobbyists affections.
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Jan 04, 2012 @ 23:07:07
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