by: Gary Rea 
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Since sometime last year, I have been aware of the truth about Alex Jones, from his betrayal of John Gray to the fact that GCN – for which he is the main on-air talent – is an ABC affiliate, owned by billionaire Ted Anderson.
Having become aware of this, I’ve made it part of my mission to awaken his audience to these facts and to the fact that the so-called “alternative media” that Jones pretends to lead is to the so-called “mainstream media” what the Democrats are to the Republicans. In other words, the media – “mainstream” and “alternative,” alike – is owned and controlled by the same interests and is but another example of the elite’s centuries-old control of society via seemingly opposing interests and groups that covertly share the same agenda. It is, in short, a false dichotomy, used to control all factions at once.
Yesterday, in response to pro-Jones and pro-Ron Paul comments posted to articles on Infowars, I left some comments of my own and this time I included links to images of Ron Paul and Alex Jones both flashing the manu cornuto, or “horned hand” sign – the international sign of greeting between luciferians, which is also being used in public, increasingly, by leaders of the New World Order. Whether one believes in the supernatural or not, it is a certainty that the NWO elite do and that their Babylonian “mystery religion” is at the heart of their actions. In any case, one has to ask why it is Alex Jones and Ron Paul – supposed “Christians” and leaders of the “patriot movement” – are flashing the same hand sign used by NWO leaders and minions all over the world.
Interestingly enough, today, all of my comments are being deleted and absolutely none are allowed to remain. This is not a glitch, it is not a server overload issue. It is simple, outright censorship and it is not the first time, by any means, that it has happened.
One has to ask, then, what is it that Infowars is hiding? It is my belief, after much research and observation, that Jones, like all the other talking heads in the so-called “alternative media,” is a mouthpiece for the Establishment. It is his job to relay to us the NWO agenda and, in doing so, raise our anger, fear and desperation to the level at which, eventually, someone or some group of people is going to commit acts of violence against the government or against perceived NWO minions and this will result in martial law being declared, effectively shutting down our ability to stop the completion of the police state.
At the same time, Jones is careful to tell his listeners they should pursue non-violent action, but I believe this is a cover, to give himself plausible deniability. When violence inevitably erupts as a result of his fanning the flames, he can simply declare he never told anyone to commit acts of violence.
Though I do believe this to be Jones’ agenda, at the same time, I must say that, as the main mouthpiece for the elite, his revelations of their activities does awaken people to the NWO agenda. However, it is in doing so that he will indirectly produce the completion of that agenda. Whether or not this becomes the case depends upon whether his listeners can maintain calm or whether they lose control of their emotions and spill out into the streets, shooting at perceived threats.
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“You have a remarkable facility for not answering anything I’m saying. Quite frankly, most of what you’re saying is meaningless drivel that doesn’t even address a single thought or issue I’ve raised here. It is not, in any way, a rebuttal, or even a reply.”
My regrets- I thought potentially contrasting points are worth lining up. Points made need not ‘win over’ or evaluate each other IMO. The list is oversized. I don’t see my requirement to attempt gratifying each point. If a valued point is not ‘addressed’ immediately, this should not be demeaning. Nor would my non-indulgence of your valued point suggest an evasive or judgmental action on my part. Perhaps it is simply beyond the scope of one e-comment exchange.
“Bo, I take it you subscribe to the theory that all the world’s woes are the result of inept bungling, as opposed to acts perpetrated by design, correct? The fact is, there is more than abundant evidence to support the fact that nothing happens in this artificially created society by accident…. ”
I see you might want me to proclaim a belief in precisely who done it. Underline ‘precisely’. I simply doubt enough of a case has been built to convict, in a court of politically appointed judges, especially by candidates to highest offices. Likewise, too few people feel a civic duty here. I’m all for free expression of so many bits and pieces. See which ones enlighten.
My feelings about Ron Paul are simply less involved than you imagine– Call it evasion if you like. I think the ’system’ is much bigger with too much smoke and mirrors to dissect so easily– If you claim it has been sufficiently dissected (for what ever end), well good then. (Let the product do it’s thing. Action is more convincing than words. I think political systems are more worthy of public studying. Rather than is picking out politician flaws or candidacies. Politicians simply indulge the system which already exists and a mere mortal might not productively learn much of utility by edging into ad hominem ends.
So, if you claim to encompass all the ultimate information, required to cope with consciousness manipulation — All within your posted links or publications to buy, then be glad. Pursue your happiness. If dry humor displeases you, that is your right.
If casual, non-commited discussion are to be dismissed, OK. I won’t bother you then. I’m easy.
“I regretted that Ron Paul dropped out, but my feeling agrees that little more could be achieved specifically on that election track. Paul already has a full plate. doing good, IMHO.”
Doing good at what, though? Raising support for doing away with the Fed – thus leaving a vacuum into which a global monetary system can be inserted as the “solution?”
“I think good was accomplished by having all sorts of opinions expressed. Science is supposed to function with ‘debates’. I figure we all have our limits and we all make less than perfect compromises.”
Nice dodging of my question. What “good” was achieved and by whom? Whose opinions were expressed? Whenever he was asked about 9/11, Ron Paul consistently has dodged the question of whether it was an inside job or not. As for the truthers who supported him, their questions about 9/11 and what Paul thought of it went unanswered.
“I suspected foul play on day one, even before technical evidence trickled through. I folowed it from a ‘builders’ point of view. One can trace foul political play all the way through pre history. It is survivaly-instinctual for servile types, to ask no questions, who follow incomprehensible orders, to fill their gut for a reward and even to pillage sometimes.”
I did, also, but I couldn’t, at the time, square it with what I believed about our government, so I submerged it. over the course of a few years, I kept having nagging feelings that something was wrong, though, especially Bush’s treatment of our borders. If we’d been attacked by terrorists, then why were the borders not secured?. Finally, when someone planted a CD of Aaron Russo’s “America: Freedom to Fascism” in a book I bought, I began to look into it. When I saw “9/11 Coincidences” and watched, especially, the interview with a demolition contractor and saw the images of columns at ground zero neatly cut at an angle with thermite, I knew from my background as a draftsman and an engineer’s son that what occurred had been a deliberate controlled demolition.
“I don’t see complicity in this, where politics is more complex than simple yes or no. Where donators and leaders retain some differences and distinctions. I actually agree (with the claim) that harping politically on 911 at all would have been unhelpful in a presidential race. Unless Paul had already had an extreme case completely running in the court. Should a leader always challenge with every emerging half-detail? I think it wiser for politicians to stick with full details– 911 is fairly challenging, concerning competing science there. If there is such solid evidence, let it pour out into concrete records.”
That’s just it, though. While there is abundant concrete evidence that 9/11 was planned and executed by our own government, that evidence has been submerged or never allowed to see the light of day. The debris from ground zero was hurriedly shipped off to China without any investigation of it at all. This would never have happened in any routine investigation of an airliner crash – let alone two supposed airliners hitting a major skyscraper. As I said, it was never Ron Paul’s intent to become President, thus he could have said anything he wanted to. That was the primary value of his campaign, not becoming President. As for complicity, I haven’t said Ron Paul was in any way responsible for 9/11 or any of the other events that stemmed from it. What he has done, however, is to channel the truth movement into a fruitless waste of time and money, all under the guise of championing the movement. He appeared to be a “real patriot” but achieved nothing substantive beyond awakening a few million people. However, that awakening was incomplete and led those awakened down a blind alley to nowhere. The millions who regard themselves as being “awake” haven’t got a clue as to who is really behind the NWO. This was quite deliberate.
“I’m not following all this. I would probably hold higher the sad point: That without a complete case and program ready to go, there is little point complaining about failed protocols like 911, in an election campaign. Even President Eisenhower (WWII hero) avoided complaining about the “military triangle” until he left office. Even President Kennedy was likely assassinated by them, when he dared suggest anything like leaving Viet Nam. On a different level, consider why Jesus did not want the crown, in his day. My guess is that wisdom requires more care than we expect.”
I know you’re not following it. That’s why I’m still trying to clarify it for you. “Complaining about” 9/11 during an election campaign??!! “Failed protocol??!!” 9/11 was a deliberate false-flag attack perpetrated by our own government. Ron Paul’s supposed “campaign” was never about his becoming President, in the first place. He knew he’d achieve such a goal. This idiotic belief that he couldn’t mention such things during his “campaign” without discrediting himself is absolutely laughable, especially in view of the fact he never had a snowball’s chance of in hell of ever coming anywhere near the Oval Office. Only the naive would assume that was his reason for never committing to any opinion about who did 9/11 and why. It is far more credible to suggest he would have been assassinated had he explored the issue publicly, but again, what he has appeared to do would be enough to get him killed – if it were doing any real damage to those in control. The fact is, he poses no threat to them and never has. He only makes the appearance – for the naive – of doing so. The phony “debates” on TV with Ben Bernanke, for example, which accomplished nothing except to add to the image of Ron Paul as a crusading patriot, were never intended to do anything else. As for Kennedy, he was assassinated for a variety of reasons, but the main one was Executive Order 11110, which would have done away with the Federal Reserve. Eisenhower only alluded, vaguely, to the real powers behind our government and said so little about it that he, too, posed no threat to those powers.
“My preference for ‘a case’ is something like Judy Wood’s gradually forming basis for a case. First fully assemble facts. Gradually enlarge the public cognizance. Yet it has far to go– That is how big the barrier is. We can’t even get the investigation re-started– Where the official investigation was terminated empty-handed. In banking, we have had real conservatives harping on financial-suicide issues for ever, to no effect. Populations simply love the bread and circuses too much. Money grubbers love dirty money too much to stop at anything. Alex Jones at least is trying to crack the bread circus thing, by re-styling the issue as an affront to ordinary manhood. (In case people will get off the sports channel long enough to consider imminent dangers). It is too big for him and he seems to say he likes independent diverse showmen to challenge the system. Leaving the campaign was not a loss forPaul or independent-politics, generally. Besides, for independents to win, they need the ‘progressives’ to join together– This process needs a lot of compromising before a poweful progressive-independent party hatches. (If it ever will).”
Surely, you’re not so naive as to believe there will ever be any real investigation of 9/11? This will be handled exactly as the Kennedy assassination has been, so that, by the time those responsible have long ago died off, there will be no one left to arrest and try for it. Yes, exactly; leaving the campaign was not a loss for Ron Paul – it was planned. As I said, he never had any intention of becoming President. His entire campaign was designed to co-opt the truth movement and lead it to nowhere, thus defusing it.
“I don’t see power struggle that way at all. As i see it, there is little room in government for any sort of wisdom or creativity. Paul didn’t even run as an independent. The system has a huge momentum, needing lots of public attention to adjust any changes. Since people are too preoccupied, and un-involved, we get the stalemate. We may know about the puppet strings in government but this isn’t enough. It is much harder than a single initiative. The size of the larger system is the main kingpin to pull. People would need to raise consciousness commensurately, much as happened in 1776. The gun fire was less effective than was the consciousness, in that revolution. The early settlers were more individually industrious and therefore more thoughtful, more disciplined and more self reliant in every part of life. Than are people today who have largely welcomed their own traps, (dependencies almost requiring slavery in the world). The powers that be, only played a secondary role in the demise of consciousness– In that what they played upon was the nature of human habituation and human laziness– With the lack of inclinations towards self development or self discipline. I expect the ‘iluminati’ themselves are prey to bad habits, poor diets, poor health and goofy thinking. They simply hire the ‘best and brightest wiz kids to roll dice for them– Kids with sharp flares in the short term, but falling equally into debilitating habits, eventually.”
You have a remarkable facility for not answering anything I’m saying. Quite frankly, most of what you’re saying is meaningless drivel that doesn’t even address a single thought or issue I’ve raised here. It is not, in any way, a rebuttal, or even a reply.
“Ron, show the world the, full, completed case, first. Fragments with theories are not enough– Too many of these parts are still in multiple debates.”
Well, the name is Gary, not Ron, but the fact is that many, especially David Ray Griffin, have authored books describing – replete with facts and photographic evidence, as well as eye-witness testimony – exactly what happened on 9/11, moment by moment. The scientific evidence has been meticulously gathered, tested and presented in multiple venues and many times over. So, I don’t know what you’re suggesting is somehow lacking.
“The ‘glass half empty or half full’… On these points, we may see things a little oppositely here– The internet was funded by ‘them’, but not invented by them– Yet ‘they’ had no idea what it would become today. BTW, it was Tesla, the tech-prophet, who first hinted at a communications systems to unite the people of the world–To bring peace– He was even ‘granted’ the patent on radio posthumously– Sure, bankers cringed at such ideas, a century ago. Electronics was largely funded in hopes of mind and market control . But such control falls short, of people with a will. As to taking advantage of all this web snooping– I doubt it is useful beyond chronic smut and non-productivity within their own ranks. The people awakening on the web is surprising. The adversarial struggle i expect is more between consciousness-raising and the bread-and-circus mesmerization. The move towards sudden ‘globalism’ shows an impatience at the top and a blindness as well. I doubt the iluminati/elitists had a clue what the internet would do. Leaders at the top likely crave a thrill of power, that alone.”
Bo, I take it you subscribe to the theory that all the world’s woes are the result of inept bungling, as opposed to acts perpetrated by design, correct? The fact is, there is more than abundant evidence to support the fact that nothing happens in this artificially created society by accident. It happens because someone wanted it to happen. If you believe the internet – through which the NSA, the CIA and the Department of Defense now have far more spying capability over us than ever before imagined – was just handed to us for no particular reason and – oops! – people started using it to awaken themselves to the NWO, then you don’t appear to know about the elite’s methods. Are you familiar with the phrase “externalizing the hierarchy?” Google it. We are all being indoctrinated, covertly, into the New World Order and the internet has been one of the most successful and rapid tools for accomplishing this. It is also, as I said, the world’s largest datamining operation, gathering more information on us than ever before possible – and the beauty of it is that we willingly supply that data.
“I don’t dismiss or rave here. It all can play a role in consciousness raising. Getting the masses to step up, more and more… I have followed such threads for decades and even searched a bit in varied literature. I welcome new insights, though the bar has raised higher from my perspective. The question is still more powerful than fixed-answers. The story of fallen angles is compelling… Yet even these writings, challenge people to raise consciousness above and beyond the hypnotism of materialism. That would be my preference for a one-liner summary. There is so much material here generally, but rehashing old theories into current events might not accomplish much, ultimately. It may provide improved idioms or icons, to jump start wider awareness, of some issues.”
Bo, you should write for “Foreign Affairs.” Your rhetoric, which says nothing while appearing to say something, would fit in perfectly. It is amazing how you write so much and yet address nothing I’ve said at all. Thanks for the non-debate.
I regretted that Ron Paul dropped out, but my feeling agrees that little more could be achieved specifically on that election track. Paul already has a full plate. doing good, IMHO.
“So, are all truthers “jumping to conclusions” about 9/11, then? ”
I think good was accomplished by having all sorts of opinions expressed. Science is supposed to function with ‘debates’. I figure we all have our limits and we all make less than perfect compromises.
“The evidence of government involvement is overwhelming. All one has to do is look at it to be convinced. I was, in 2007, and I had previously thought the truthers to be a bunch of nutcases.”
I suspected foul play on day one, even before technical evidence trickled through. I folowed it from a ‘builders’ point of view. One can trace foul political play all the way through pre history. It is survivaly-instinctual for servile types, to ask no questions, who follow incomprehensible orders, to fill their gut for a reward and even to pillage sometimes.
“What is significant about Ron Paul’s denial of government involvement in 9/11 is that he had no problem in accepting the bulk of his campaign financing from the truth movement – yet, at the same time, he wouldn’t say whether or not he believed 9/11 was an inside job or not. Ron Paul supporters have said that he couldn’t do so without appearing to be a nutcase, but the reality is that the media had already cast him as a nutcase and most of the public saw him that way already – so that argument doesn’t hold any water at all. Rather, Ron Paul pulled out of the race because he never intended to become President, in the first place and, perhaps, because his handlers thought he’d done enough – maybe too much – to wake people up. His reason for leaving the race was supposedly so he could continue to “campaign for liberty” and continue to wake people up, but, at that point, most of the people he was addressing after doing so were people who were already awake and had been following him already. Without the glare of publicity from being in the Presidential campaign, the bulk of the sheeple lost sight of him – aided by the fact that the media had been ignoring him for months. His second place wins in the caucuses wasn’t even reported by “mainstream” media.”
I don’t see complicity in this, where politics is more complex than simple yes or no. Where donators and leaders retain some differences and distinctions. I actually agree (with the claim) that harping politically on 911 at all would have been unhelpful in a presidential race. Unless Paul had already had an extreme case completely running in the court. Should a leader always challenge with every emerging half-detail? I think it wiser for politicians to stick with full details– 911 is fairly challenging, concerning competing science there. If there is such solid evidence, let it pour out into concrete records.
“Certainly it would serve a “useful or productive purpose” to expose both the perpetrators of 9/11 and the people behind the NWO. That, in fact, is the ONLY real function Ron Paul’s campaign served. It is also what the so-called “truth movement” is all about. What do you think Alex Jones does daily? Granted, he is not fully exposing it – and neither is Ron Paul – but the fact is that millions have awakened to what is going on, at least to an extent, anyway. Since the only way we can ever hope to defeat the NWO and to stop it in its tracks is by exposing it so it no longer can function by stealth and secrecy, exposing the people behind it is the key to defeating it. There is no other way to achieve that. You don’t see Ron Paul’s hand in covering up evidence- nor Alex Jones’ – because all that is required to do so is to simply ignore key facets of the evidence. If you’re exposing the NWO, but have a hidden agenda to protect the people at the top of the NWO pyramid, then you simply avoid mentioning them, while exposing the rest and pointing the finger at lower level minions, instead. This is exactly what Ron Paul and Alex Jones do every day.”
I’m not following all this. I would probably hold higher the sad point: That without a complete case and program ready to go, there is little point complaining about failed protocols like 911, in an election campaign. Even President Eisenhower (WWII hero) avoided complaining about the “military triangle” until he left office. Even President Kennedy was likely assassinated by them, when he dared suggest anything like leaving Viet Nam. On a different level, consider why Jesus did not want the crown, in his day. My guess is that wisdom requires more care than we expect.
My preference for ‘a case’ is something like Judy Wood’s gradually forming basis for a case. First fully assemble facts. Gradually enlarge the public cognizance. Yet it has far to go– That is how big the barrier is. We can’t even get the investigation re-started– Where the official investigation was terminated empty-handed. In banking, we have had real conservatives harping on financial-suicide issues for ever, to no effect. Populations simply love the bread and circuses too much. Money grubbers love dirty money too much to stop at anything. Alex Jones at least is trying to crack the bread circus thing, by re-styling the issue as an affront to ordinary manhood. (In case people will get off the sports channel long enough to consider imminent dangers). It is too big for him and he seems to say he likes independent diverse showmen to challenge the system. Leaving the campaign was not a loss forPaul or independent-politics, generally. Besides, for independents to win, they need the ‘progressives’ to join together– This process needs a lot of compromising before a poweful progressive-independent party hatches. (If it ever will).
“The ‘technically compelling evidence’ resides in the obvious fact that he is still in Congress when, to anyone with an ounce of common sense, he wouldn’t be if most of those in Congress and the government are working for the NWO. They would be doing everything they could do to see to it that Ron Paul is ousted from his congressional seat and never allowed back into public service again – that is, if they thought Ron Paul was doing anything to damage their NWO agenda. As I said, he’s not doing so and, thus, he’s harmless. Remember, the NWO elite WANT us to know what they are doing. That’s why Ron People, Lou Dobbs, Glen Beck – and Alex Jones all continue to hold their jobs while supposedly exposing the NWO. It is because they don’t mention the real leaders of the NWO and point the finger at their lower level minions that they are able to remain in the public eye. It is also because they are doing the NWO’s bidding, serving as mouthpieces for their message, that they are still at it.”
I don’t see power struggle that way at all. As i see it, there is little room in government for any sort of wisdom or creativity. Paul didn’t even run as an independent. The system has a huge momentum, needing lots of public attention to adjust any changes. Since people are too preoccupied, and un-involved, we get the stalemate. We may know about the puppet strings in government but this isn’t enough. It is much harder than a single initiative. The size of the larger system is the main kingpin to pull. People would need to raise consciousness commensurately, much as happened in 1776. The gun fire was less effective than was the consciousness, in that revolution. The early settlers were more individually industrious and therefore more thoughtful, more disciplined and more self reliant in every part of life. Than are people today who have largely welcomed their own traps, (dependencies almost requiring slavery in the world). The powers that be, only played a secondary role in the demise of consciousness– In that what they played upon was the nature of human habituation and human laziness– With the lack of inclinations towards self development or self discipline. I expect the ‘iluminati’ themselves are prey to bad habits, poor diets, poor health and goofy thinking. They simply hire the ‘best and brightest wiz kids to roll dice for them– Kids with sharp flares in the short term, but falling equally into debilitating habits, eventually.
“‘As to the so called NWO– It is not actually clear to me what this actually is or what is the ultimate goal implied here.’”
“And therein lies part of the reason why you can’t seem to grasp what I’m saying, Bo. Perhaps you will, with further study.”
Ron, show the world the, full, completed case, first. Fragments with theories are not enough– Too many of these parts are still in multiple debates. Currently i see multiple arenas, each with efforts in progress, splintering here and there. Consciousness has to rise and enlist, a little more, before the silver linings can break through. Before ‘inside whistle blowers’ could feel secure enough to provide needed links. Or before commoners could reclaim enough community self stability, to cut off their many debilitating dependencies. Commoners have not used technology to advantage. In that commoners keep accepting NWO products of every kind along with that race to the bottom.
“‘I expect the only resolution to political problems will be technological breakthroughs, as these in fact have changed the members of ruling classes and the nature of material problems generally.’”
“On the contrary, Bo, such technological breakthroughs have been the work of the NWO’s elite throughout history. It is they, with their unlimited wealth and access to the best and brightest of all ages, who have steered the course of mankind for thousands of years. Such technological breakthroughs have never weakened their hold upon us, but have strengthened it – by design. Many in the so-called “patriot movement” point to the internet as our best weapon against the NWO, but the fact is that the internet was invented and developed by the NWO and it was “given” to the private sector for a reason: it’s the world’s largest and most efficient datamining and snooping tool. With the internet, they have gained far more advantage over us than they ever had in past decades. Now they are able to know everything about us and we unsuspectingly and voluntarily provide it to them every day.”
The ‘glass half empty or half full’… On these points, we may see things a little oppositely here– The internet was funded by ‘them’, but not invented by them– Yet ‘they’ had no idea what it would become today. BTW, it was Tesla, the tech-prophet, who first hinted at a communications systems to unite the people of the world–To bring peace– He was even ‘granted’ the patent on radio posthumously– Sure, bankers cringed at such ideas, a century ago. Electronics was largely funded in hopes of mind and market control . But such control falls short, of people with a will. As to taking advantage of all this web snooping– I doubt it is useful beyond chronic smut and non-productivity within their own ranks. The people awakening on the web is surprising. The adversarial struggle i expect is more between consciousness-raising and the bread-and-circus mesmerization. The move towards sudden ‘globalism’ shows an impatience at the top and a blindness as well. I doubt the iluminati/elitists had a clue what the internet would do. Leaders at the top likely crave a thrill of power, that alone.
(“As to devil-worship–”)….”Bo, again, you need to indulge in further study of the NWO elite in order to understand them and their agenda. Their mystery religion – which is, at its heart, paganistic and based upon the worship of Lucifer – is at the heart of everything they are doing. To discount it as insignificant is to miss out on their motives for everything they are doing – and have been doing for thousands of years. No matter what we may believe, the elite certainly do have a set of beliefs that rules their lives and their actions and they believe that symbology, numerology and such hand gestures have great power. Whether we agree or not isn’t the point. If you want to understand the NWO and what it is,you have to understand the people who run it.”
I don’t dismiss or rave here. It all can play a role in consciousness raising. Getting the masses to step up, more and more… I have followed such threads for decades and even searched a bit in varied literature. I welcome new insights, though the bar has raised higher from my perspective. The question is still more powerful than fixed-answers. The story of fallen angles is compelling… Yet even these writings, challenge people to raise consciousness above and beyond the hypnotism of materialism. That would be my preference for a one-liner summary. There is so much material here generally, but rehashing old theories into current events might not accomplish much, ultimately. It may provide improved idioms or icons, to jump start wider awareness, of some issues.
I looked at that rock-star-debunking-site… (I might have seen the same sort of message long ago). It might not achieve the intended intent. You can indeed force people into fixed mentalities, good ones or bad ones– Yet a materialistic-enforcement is not likely to progress souls significantly, IMHO. Repressing emotional experience can be just as damaging as over-indulging emotions, methinks. Consciousness raising cannot stop at limited and strict belief systems– Systems which themselves have materialistic trappings. At some point the inconsistencies and shortcomings become too apparent. Consciousness raising should go beyond material things.
“To be impartial here– Personally, i did not feel the “zenith” was significant in terms of numbers– Primarily because citizen majorities are not anylitical, period. Majority populations are primarily reactive to immediate issues, not actually very public ones.”
The zenith of Ron Paul’s campaign was significant because he had just placed second in the Maine, Louisiana and Nevada caucuses and had was raising more campaign funds than any other candidate in the race. Had he continued, he stood a real chance of at least gaining much more exposure and that was the significance of his campaign, in the first place; i.e., gaining exposure and waking people up – not becoming President.
“The term “inside job” i s a “who done it” issue, it is not a scientific proof which sufficiently disqualifies all other theories or proofs of the evidence. Neither Alex or Ron are technically savy people. IMHO, based on years of learning about the available evidence, Dr Judy Woods has more substantial issues to investigate scientifically. While authoritarians insist that Tesla technology was quackery i have found Tesla to provide much more valuable scientific insight. Dr Judy covers more evidence issues from independent images and impartial-data, of the event– Where NIST, as far as i can see, has not provided much if indeed any ‘forensic’ raw data, relavent to the evidence– I hear from Dr Wood that they only reported on events leading up to 911. They offer no massive compilations of forensic-styled photos, at the least. Whereas, for minor airline crashes by comparison, we see reams of technical data generated, no? I could go on for hours here because i have studied marginalized edge of physics,(Tesla), for decades before 911. So, in short, i would not expect a politician to jump to conclusions about 911 evidence.”
So, are all truthers “jumping to conclusions” about 9/11, then? The evidence of government involvement is overwhelming. All one has to do is look at it to be convinced. I was, in 2007, and I had previously thought the truthers to be a bunch of nutcases. What is significant about Ron Paul’s denial of government involvement in 9/11 is that he had no problem in accepting the bulk of his campaign financing from the truth movement – yet, at the same time, he wouldn’t say whether or not he believed 9/11 was an inside job or not. Ron Paul supporters have said that he couldn’t do so without appearing to be a nutcase, but the reality is that the media had already cast him as a nutcase and most of the public saw him that way already – so that argument doesn’t hold any water at all. Rather, Ron Paul pulled out of the race because he never intended to become President, in the first place and, perhaps, because his handlers thought he’d done enough – maybe too much – to wake people up. His reason for leaving the race was supposedly so he could continue to “campaign for liberty” and continue to wake people up, but, at that point, most of the people he was addressing after doing so were people who were already awake and had been following him already. Without the glare of publicity from being in the Presidential campaign, the bulk of the sheeple lost sight of him – aided by the fact that the media had been ignoring him for months. His second place wins in the caucuses wasn’t even reported by “mainstream” media.
“Again, it would serve no useful or productive cause to jump to a ‘who done it’– Wherein one would first need to develop all the admissible evidence. If key- admissible evidence was removed without exhaustive forensic cataloging, then producing a satisfactory trial is made all the more difficult. I don’t see evidence of Ron’s hand in covering or hiding evidence.”
Certainly it would serve a “useful or productive purpose” to expose both the perpetrators of 9/11 and the people behind the NWO. That, in fact, is the ONLY real function Ron Paul’s campaign served. It is also what the so-called “truth movement” is all about. What do you think Alex Jones does daily? Granted, he is not fully exposing it – and neither is Ron Paul – but the fact is that millions have awakened to what is going on, at least to an extent, anyway. Since the only way we can ever hope to defeat the NWO and to stop it in its tracks is by exposing it so it no longer can function by stealth and secrecy, exposing the people behind it is the key to defeating it. There is no other way to achieve that. You don’t see Ron Paul’s hand in covering up evidence- nor Alex Jones’ – because all that is required to do so is to simply ignore key facets of the evidence. If you’re exposing the NWO, but have a hidden agenda to protect the people at the top of the NWO pyramid, then you simply avoid mentioning them, while exposing the rest and pointing the finger at lower level minions, instead. This is exactly what Ron Paul and Alex Jones do every day.
“I think you already point out the game played uses seemingly ‘neutral’ players– IMHO, we lack sufficient public evidence to condemn Ron in this issue. Please inform me if i missed technically compelling evidence, in any of this.”
The “technically compelling evidence” resides in the obvious fact that he is still in Congress when, to anyone with an ounce of common sense, he wouldn’t be if most of those in Congress and the government are working for the NWO. They would be doing everything they could do to see to it that Ron Paul is ousted from his congressional seat and never allowed back into public service again – that is, if they thought Ron Paul was doing anything to damage their NWO agenda. As I said, he’s not doing so and, thus, he’s harmless. Remember, the NWO elite WANT us to know what they are doing. That’s why Ron People, Lou Dobbs, Glen Beck – and Alex Jones all continue to hold their jobs while supposedly exposing the NWO. It is because they don’t mention the real leaders of the NWO and point the finger at their lower level minions that they are able to remain in the public eye. It is also because they are doing the NWO’s bidding, serving as mouthpieces for their message, that they are still at it.
“As to the so called NWO– It is not actually clear to me what tis actually is or what is the ultimate goal implied here.”
And therein lies part of the reason why you can’t seem to grasp what I’m saying, Bo. Perhaps you will, with further study.
“I expect the only resolution to political problems will be technological breakthroughs, as these in fact have changed the members of ruling classes and the nature of material problems generally.”
On the contrary, Bo, such technological breakthroughs have been the work of the NWO’s elite throughout history. It is they, with their unlimited wealth and access to the best and brightest of all ages, who have steered the course of mankind for thousands of years. Such technological breakthroughs have never weakened their hold upon us, but have strengthened it – by design. Many in the so-called “patriot movement” point to the internet as our best weapon against the NWO, but the fact is that the internet was invented and developed by the NWO and it was “given” to the private sector for a reason: it’s the world’s largest and most efficient datamining and snooping tool. With the internet, they have gained far more advantage over us than they ever had in past decades. Now they are able to know everything about us and we unsuspectingly and voluntarily provide it to them every day.
“As to devil-worship– This i see as less productive of solutions. Perhaps it is useful to alarm sedentary people, who are in fact moved by such things. If one plays politics, it will be impossible to avoid simplistic ‘hand signs’, which speak to certain support groups.”
Bo, again, you need to indulge in further study of the NWO elite in order to understand them and their agenda. Their mystery religion – which is, at its heart, paganistic and based upon the worship of Lucifer – is at the heart of everything they are doing. To discount it as insignificant is to miss out on their motives for everything they are doing – and have been doing for thousands of years. No matter what we may believe, the elite certainly do have a set of beliefs that rules their lives and their actions and they believe that symbology, numerology and such hand gestures have great power. Whether we agree or not isn’t the point. If you want to understand the NWO and what it is,you have to understand the people who run it.
“If Ron Paul is really what he seems to be, why did he pull the plug on his own campaign when it was at its zenith?”
To be impartial here– Personally, i did not feel the “zenith” was significant in terms of numbers– Primarily because citizen majorities are not anylitical, period. Majority populations are primarily reactive to immediate issues, not actually very public ones.
“If Ron Paul is a figurehead of the truth movement, why has he never publicly said he believes 9/11 was an inside job? ”
The term “inside job” i s a “who done it” issue, it is not a scientific proof which sufficiently disqualifies all other theories or proofs of the evidence. Neither Alex or Ron are technically savy people. IMHO, based on years of learning about the available evidence, Dr Judy Woods has more substantial issues to investigate scientifically. While authoritarians insist that Tesla technology was quackery i have found Tesla to provide much more valuable scientific insight. Dr Judy covers more evidence issues from independent images and impartial-data, of the event– Where NIST, as far as i can see, has not provided much if indeed any ‘forensic’ raw data, relavent to the evidence– I hear from Dr Wood that they only reported on events leading up to 911. They offer no massive compilations of forensic-styled photos, at the least. Whereas, for minor airline crashes by comparison, we see reams of technical data generated, no? I could go on for hours here because i have studied marginalized edge of physics,(Tesla), for decades before 911. So, in short, i would not expect a politician to jump to conclusions about 911 evidence.
“If Ron Paul doesn’t believe 9/11 was an inside job, then why did he accept millions in campaign contributions from the 9/11 Truth movement? ”
Contribution based elections, i would agree very generally, is a age old scam of world controllers. I merely offer an analogy of rationality, that as mere mortals– You and i apparently accept products manufactured by world-owner types, (ultimately). We buy gasoline, etc…. Magnify this standard of acceptance to a ‘world leader’. I contend it is equivalent to using the election system as it comes to ‘you’ (if ‘you’ are a politician).
“If Ron Paul knows who is truly behind the NWO, then why does he never say who they are?”
Again, it would serve no useful or productive cause to jump to a ‘who done it’– Wherein one would first need to develop all the admissible evidence. If key- admissible evidence was removed without exhaustive forensic cataloging, then producing a satisfactory trial is made all the more difficult. I don’t see evidence of Ron’s hand in covering or hiding evidence.
“But, the most damning question is, if Ron Paul (and, for that matter, Alex Jones) is a real threat to the NWO elite, then why is he still in Congress? ”
I think you already point out the game played uses seemingly ‘neutral’ players– IMHO, we lack sufficient public evidence to condemn Ron in this issue. Please inform me if i missed technically compelling evidence, in any of this.
“Why, indeed, is he still alive? Oh, right! Because he’d become a “martyr” if he was killed. If you believe that, then explain why it is that Bill Cooper is no martyr and that most people in the so-called “patriot movement” don’t even know who Bill Cooper was.”
Well, first off, we might agree the ‘game’ is multi tiered and not linear. Rather it is extremely complex and can be traced through recorded history through the Roman Empire. (In terms of exhaustive written documents). I would tend to be more satisfied by looking at deeds. Clearly documented deeds of individuals who are judged today. (May we know them by their fruits?)
So far, at least based on averaged out deeds– I do not see venom and complicity with these3 two individuals. I might find a bunch of statements or political stands i disagree with. Overall though i see them both assisting the immediate need to wrestle economic control out of the hands of ‘globalist’ financiers. Indeed one uses fire to fight fire, providing the back fire is minor compared to the ravaging fire.
What either man would do after immediate ’success’ is anyone’s guess. What would you or i do if we suddenly were granted a huge windfall. I’ve made mistakes and have numerous ‘regrets’ in my life and cannot expect glory of God to manifest from mere mortals, nor to find vocabulary acceptable to all free will humans.
As to the so called NWO– It is not actually clear to me what tis actually is or what is the ultimate goal implied here. While i completely accept arguments made by this site, concerning agriculture, i do expect that all who agree could easily find some disagreements as to how to solve it. (Besides merely stopping the bad bills). I rather see the problems of the elite as similar to our own human problems, with the main difference being the size of respective wealth. Indeed an astronomical proportion here, which almost mutes the underlying irony. Call me a dreamer-poet then
I expect the only resolution to political problems will be technological breakthroughs, as these in fact have changed the members of ruling classes and the nature of material problems generally.
As to devil-worship– This i see as less productive of solutions. Perhaps it is useful to alarm sedentary people, who are in fact moved by such things. If one plays politics, it will be impossible to avoid simplistic ‘hand signs’, which speak to certain support groups. Politicians have to signal all sorts ‘agenda-driven-groups’. Such support elements find disfavor according to the ‘beholder’. Indeed, the satan issue is huge, but it’s complexity and twining through history, make it more of a mystery, rather than a clear path of admissible evidence, (even in the court of feelings). The history of Christianity, likewise is so subjective, that most Christians fail to observe that Jesu chose to write in the sand. He abstained from writing scrolls or books, for hugely important reasons. Reasons which supported his mission on this planet. Rather free will of successive humans created ensuing history, including the history of the Vatican. As to cults and secret societies– These may persist, but it is the physical action, the ‘fruits’ again, which hold my attention. As one interested in these subjects.
Nevertheless, i thank you Gary, for your research and would look forward to more detailed discussion. All these subjects have interested me a long time. Yet discussion on your post here may not be desired by the site hosts. Who knows?
As I was saying to someone else in another comments section here, just because someone appears to be attacking someone else doesn’t necessarily mean there is any real animosity between them. As I’ve pointed out many times, that’s how the elite operate; i.e., they create seemingly opposed groups/factions that appear, outwardly, to be at war with each other, but which covertly share the same agenda. The most obvious example is the Republicans vs the Democrats. Not as obvious to most is the false dichotomy within the broadcast media; i.e., the so-called “mainstream” and the so-called “alternative” media, which both are controlled and owned by the same forces – both governmental and corporate. So, when Jones appears to attack the elite as satanists, it doesn’t mean he actually opposes them. In other words, it’s all for show, in order to conceal a broader agenda. Note how NWO minions from time to time use this same tactic. For example, Sarah Palin (CFR) who recast herself as a “patriot” by appearing to back Alaska’s phony “declaration of sovereignty,” or Texas Governor Rick Perry (CFR, Bilderberg) doing exactly the same thing. In both cases, the idiots on Infowars’ comments sections praised both as “real patriots” while only a few saw through the very obvious subterfuge. Well, the same is happening right now with Alex Jones and the ADL. Both are role-playing, pretending to be opposed to each other. Why? Well, think about. If Alex Jones is what I have said he is, the best way for him to discredit me and others and to relieve himself of any suspicion is to appear to be attacked by the ADL. The ADL, being a well known faction of the NWO, it would seem, on the surface, that if Jones is being attacked by them, it must mean they are enemies. It’s the oldest trick in the book for covert allies to pretend to be enemies in order to conceal their collusion.
So, getting back to the “horned hand” sign, if Alex was caught on tape (and I think he may have been, as the still image I linked to appears to be from some video footage) flashing the sign, then there is a reason why he did so. The fact is, this same sign is being flashed by people in the media quite frequently. It may only be for an instant, or it may be more prolonged, as in the video of Ron Paul doing it, but the fact is this is the international sign of greeting between luciferians and that was its origin. It has since been adopted, by Helen Keller (a theosophist) as the sign for “I love you” in the international sign language she invented and it has also been introduced at the University of Texas by Harley Clark as the “hook ‘em horns” sign used by UT football fans. It’s also become popular among rock stars and rock fans, as well. However, no one can rightly dispute its origin and true meaning and, indeed, when used by people in the music business, it is intended as the sign of satanism. If you disagree, I urge you to watch the several videos on Goodfight Theater:
http://www.theater.goodfight.org
I think the key word in your statement that Ron Paul “seems to espouse the Rothbardian economic system” is the word “seems.” Exactly. But that’s where the resemblance stops. Anyone can say anything and anyone can say words that will make them appear to believe in things they don’t necessarily believe in. I don’t understand what is so hard for most of you to grasp about this. People lie. They do it every day. People posture as our saviors while in reality they are the opposite. This is how the people who run the world have positioned themselves, in the first place; i.e., by deceit. If Ron Paul is really what he seems to be, why did he pull the plug on his own campaign when it was at its zenith? If Ron Paul is a figurehead of the truth movement, why has he never publicly said he believes 9/11 was an inside job? If Ron Paul doesn’t believe 9/11 was an inside job, then why did he accept millions in campaign contributions from the 9/11 Truth movement? If Ron Paul knows who is truly behind the NWO, then why does he never say who they are? Instead, he appears to (on TV) confront Ben Bernanke, as if Ben Bernanke runs the world. Bernanke doesn’t even run the Fed, though he holds the post that supposedly wields control of that body. The fact is, the real controlling interest isn’t even the international bankers – it’s the Queen and the City of London and, above them are the Jesuits and the Pope. All roads lead to Rome – just as they have for 2,000 years. But, the most damning question is, if Ron Paul (and, for that matter, Alex Jones) is a real threat to the NWO elite, then why is he still in Congress? Why, indeed, is he still alive? Oh, right! Because he’d become a “martyr” if he was killed. If you believe that, then explain why it is that Bill Cooper is no martyr and that most people in the so-called “patriot movement” don’t even know who Bill Cooper was.
You’re supposed to like Ron Paul’s efforts to “open the Fed up for some scrutiny.” The whole idea is get those in the so-called “patriot movement” on board for removing the Fed – thus creating the vacuum into which a world monetary system can be introduced as the solution.
Fomenting violence will not simply result in “government reprisals against gangs of protesters.” It will bring about the implementation of martial law and the completion of the police state grid, affecting us all. That is exactly what the elite want and the best way of getting it – indeed, the only way – is agitate the population to commit acts of violence. The elite can’t do so themselves, so they use their hired help in the media – both “mainstream” and “alternative.” If not for Alex Jones, most of the people in the so-called “patriot movement” wouldn’t know there is anything for them to be angry about, let alone anything for them to fear, to the point of desperation. Alex Jones is their conduit for achieving that end.
Gary,
I suppose i’ve earned myself this continued blog.
So, if you located multiple hand signal photos, for any person, with clear signaling, it might support your points about some associations. True i didn’t look at more than a few pages. Still, Jones does rail against satanic elitists, so it would not be clear what that should mean except perhaps that particular cult people involved might have some in fighting or competitions amongst satanists? Yet caution might still be worthwhile, in the ‘eye of the beholder’.
As for Ron Paul, it is not clear what he would get out of an association like that, except something similar? Is there a potential schism between say elitist Federal Reservists and some opposing, competing world-bank-groups? Are you or would you suggest a hand-signaling connection to Ron’s general Libertarian positions or connections? Ron seems to espouse the Rothbardian (sp?) economic system, (or whatever it is called). It seems more reliable than the current Fed system, IMHO. So i for one, like his work in Congress, to open the FED up for some scrutiny.
Could it be both men need to payback particular supporters, through hand signals, to cover for financial support? If some elitists may have weird cult-practices, this might not upset too many people. So ultimately, a better case needs building.
As to fomenting violence and stimulating government reprisals against gangs of protesters– I’ve no clue. I would expect people have historically risen up when famine, etc. press them, where elites might appear unkind. Generally, few people care to study much of anything and just react in all events. Although The Constitution, Oath Keepers and many other issues are fairly complex. I didn’t hear Jones pushing an instant agenda in this area. I expect he is more about promoting carbon industries and using the anti-abortion connections to resist all and any forms of population-designing. I hesitate to say eugenics which is his preferred term to rally against, to imply raw genocide. As for health through toxin-free-life-styles , he does some good to alert the public. Not that there is a free alternative for everyone, just for grabs. Average people are clearly challenged today. Also he is establishing a view i share about vaccines, generally.
As to my last sentence, indeed i would call that a typo as i meant the word ‘this’ instead of ‘his’. Inadequately, i just meant to commend this ppjg website, for it’s courage, in support of non-gmo, traditional farming.
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Bo, first of all, there was only one link to anything about Ron Paul, but it is a significant one and there are many on the web that show the same videos of him flashing the Manu Cornuto (on several occasions and in several places), as well as using a Masonic handshake while appearing on Bill Maher’s show. I don’t know what else you need to at least pique your curiosity enough to do your own further research. That’s certainly what I would do and, indeed, have done. If you believe that Ron Paul and Alex Jones – both supposed “Christians,” as well as supposed “leaders” of the so-called “patriot movement” – flashing the same satanic hand gesture used by hundreds of NWO leaders and minions all over the world isn’t “substantive” enough for your concern, then I suggest you click on the other links I supplied in the article. Did you? These are to articles about Alex Jones, exposing him.
As I said in my article, the fact that either of these men are using the manu cornuto suggests they are either (a) luciferians, (b) minions of the NWO or (c) both of the above. If that isn’t enough to at least give you pause to doubt and wonder, I don’t know what else I can say to you. But, the fact is that both of them are clearly displaying the gesture and, when combined with the left hand index finger point upward, it is definitely a significant hand gesture for both satanists and Freemasons. There is no way this could have happened by accident. Watch the video clips of Ron Paul, in particular, and you will see he makes this gesture quite deliberately and on two separate occasions, at two different venues. As for the one image of Jones, the fact that he was caught displaying this sign at all should send up a red flag in the mind of anyone who has trusted and followed him. It is silly to suggest that anyone could unwittingly flash this exact gesture at some time during the day and be caught on film doing so without having done so intentionally. The combination of the “horned hand” with the finger pointing up has deep symbolic meaning for those using it and that anyone could wind up, for even a second, in such a posture accidentally – let alone be caught doing so by a photographer – is sublimely ridiculous. Those who posit this explanation are clearly in denial about their beloved “leaders” and are badly in need of a wakeup call about them. That’s the purpose of this article.
My assertion that Jones is deliberately leading millions toward violent rebellion is not based upon any “random feeling,” but on careful observation of his behavior over a period of years, combined with a bit of common sense and careful attention to what others (Bill Cooper and Eustace Mullins, to name a couple) have had to say about those in the media. I have a feeling that if I showed you more evidence, you would simply deny it, as you have here. That is a testament to the effectiveness of the brainwashing you’ve received from both Jones and Paul. I find it ludicrous that the same people who consider themselves to be so “awake” to the NWO are also the same people who blindly and unquestioningly hang on every word spoken by Alex Jones and Ron Paul. It shows a complete lack of discernment on your part. If you require more evidence, I suggest you get busy looking for it yourself. I’m not here to spoon-feed it to you. If you think I’m wrong, let’s see the evidence that contradicts my assertions. It’s one thing to question what I say and quite another to prove me wrong. So far, all I see is someone in denial about his cherished “leaders.” It is exactly that “herd mentality” that keeps millions of Alex Jones and Ron Paul followers in denial about them.
You find Alex Jones’ Infowars.com to be a “peaceful” site? That is the most laughable thing you’ve said here. Aside from Jones’ daily on-air theatrics and histrionics, in which he couches his spiel in militaristic terms (even the name of the site implies as much), there is the fact that the readers’ own comments are a feeding frenzy of calls for violent revolution. Jones himself has acknowledged this many times in his program and has claimed the FBI and Secret Service regularly visit his studio to voice their concern over it. As I said, Jones is careful to tell his audience to pursue non-violent means, but this is to serve as a cover and disclaimer for himself. At the same time, his own words and actions are what is pushing this frothing mass of millions of so-called “patriots” ever closer to starting a shooting war with the government – which I have repeatedly said is exactly what the people behind the NWO want. They are looking for any excuse to declare martial law and thus complete their police state grid. Had it not been for Alex Jones and others like him, no one would be anywhere near supplying them with the desired excuse.
Gary,
First- I found nothing substantive in your links concerning Ron Paul, a man i respect for many critical reasons. You got me wondering though– What substance, even on the web, argues against Alex Jones? (Substance, not just bread and circus stuff).
You Wrote–
“…. It is his job to relay to us the NWO agenda and, in doing so, raise our anger, fear and desperation to the level at which, eventually, someone or some group of people is going to commit acts of violence against the government or against perceived NWO minions and this will result in martial law being declared, effectively shutting down our ability to stop the completion of the police state….”
That sounds more like a random feeling, through free expression. I also looked at your links– That satanic hand signal, as a ’smoking gun’, (if it is in one photo alone), also seems a bit questionable at many levels. If any person was photographed 24-7, that hand posture might actually seem evident, at some point. But if postured in many official photos, it does seem more purposeful (and questionable). Perhaps that hand signal speaks to cult people, on sort of a magical belief level. I happen to believe media uses a herd-instinct magic. Herd instinct is a big underlying problem, all of it’s own. Comprehensive evidence is needed to support claims of complex subjects. More than glimpses of evidence, is needed to study bigger scenarios and philosophies.
I’ve started listening to AJ’s podcast. He seems to work with lengthy strings of verifiable information. Some of the heaviest economic, WWIII and vaccine reports seem truthful, IMHO. However, personally, i think he is missing out on the importance of conservation, period. Conservation has a long difficult history, but today conservation seems to be displaced by competing initiatives. He does seem to kraft a replacement of sorts- in terms of preserving a person’s personal assets. He goes wild over ‘global warming’ and ‘carbon tax’… I credit him for at least discussing the subjects and covering some of the potential ramifications. After all, there are several extremes and schemes needing honest examinations. Alex might have slipped in a few other instances, as humans generally do, but on the whole, his current show gives a better focus, with more critical issues, than the ‘big’ media outlets. (The big media outlets which still foster the older herd instinct impulses).
It might be sad that media personalities need to be ’showmen’ (or dazzling ladies). That is a status of human conscience on our planet, currently. I regret to say that many Christian organizations also use this ’showman’ herd instinct. It should be obvious that most populations are highly responsive to the techniques. For the world to progress forward, we need to get over that fact and fill in with more comprehensive reports, more insightful study. It is hard work involving detailed analysis and study. I visit his particular site, as it seems focused at such a peaceful level.
Right, OldDog, or, to put as Eustace Mullins has, everyone in the media is part of the New World Order.
Gary,
Jones is an info pimp without doubt, and only the dull and ignorant worship Ron Paul.
I have left more negative responses to Ron Paul articles than I can remember, and not one was published.
Your assessment of them both is right on!
NO REAL PATRIOT GETS ON THE BANKERS MEDIA!
PERIOD!
OLdDog